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Challenge Debate: Free Press Bible - A well thought out idea?

If you can think of objections to the idea based on what you already know, feel free to post them, otherwise you can wait for me to make the first argument.

atypican(4873)

I suspect so

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Jace(4506)

I doubt it

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Each of us maintains a collection of records that are important to us for various reasons. We have been doing this for a long time. We are by nature record keepers. Like every action, to consciously create a record is to assert a value. It is to say "This merits some attention".

The values that we abide by are more or less flexible, depending on their position relative to the value hierarchy (think ruling logic or theology) being applied. All of us operate according to standards that (with much help) we've worked out for ourselves. This is universal. All trust is rooted in self trust.

The Free Press Bible Process, is the use of (still under development) tools to aid with the evaluative activity essential to good personal character development. Though if done in complete privacy, a serious risk of unchecked confirmation bias does exist, I am convinced that a normal and healthy transition from utterly relying on others to think for us (imitating those we model ourselves after), to thinking more and more autonomously, should be acknowledged.

"Wisdom comes when you can admire without worshiping and criticize without condemning" ~atypican

A great many of us aren't as focused as steadily on what we would prefer to be focused on, if we were more disciplined. Free Press Bible is quite simply about getting priorities in order. But the process can be started for reasons entirely less admirable, and still end up working toward that end, due to a form of introspection that goes on (often inadvertently) while evaluating other people's statements.

Side: I suspect so
Jace(4506) Clarified
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I suspect I am not entirely grasping your proposal, likely due to the differences in our respective semantic frameworks. Consequentially, I would like to clarify to ensure I understand your proposal before I move to interrogate it. Words or phrases in italics indicate items for which I would find a definition helpful. Acceptable?

You view it as inherent to the human condition that in the process of consciously formulating perspective and opinion we accrue an influential corpus of records. You consider it equally inherent that this process is one of value assertion. (I am unclear if you think the formulation process is always conscious; please clarify.)

You consider values to be hierarchical, arranged according to the standards (I am unclear how you distinguish a value from a standard) we derive from our formulation process. You claim that all trust is derived from a trust in the self, by which I infer you mean that were we incapable of trusting our formulated perspective we would be incapable of engaging with anything else because that perspective is effectively our interface for engaging with the world we live in.

You are of the opinion that in order for our personal character development to be good we must strike a balance between independent perspective formulation (which risks confirmation bias) and reliant perspective formulation (which risks uncritical imitation). You seek to introduce the Free Press Bible Process (I still do not understand why you call it this; personally I find that reference to a specific religious text a bit disorienting with respect to your more generalized thesis) as a set of tools and procedures for striking that balance.

You perceive that most of us lack focus and discipline, and ostensibly mean to indicate that Free Press Bible is a tool for overcoming those attributes. You observe that one might be pulled into the process through inadvertent introspection prompted during an evaluation of others' statements. This seems to indicate that Free Press Bible is some sort of interactional platform where users would present their corpus of records and consequent perspectives for open critique by others.

Please let me know where my interpretation has erred in any respect, identify anything important that I seem to have missed, and clarify where requested if possible.

Side: I suspect so
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I suspect I am not entirely grasping your proposal

To be expected. I haven't explained it very thoroughly. I am looking to do most of the explaining conversationally as opposed to in essay format. Thanks for helping.

I would like to clarify to ensure I understand your proposal before I move to interrogate it. Words or phrases in italics indicate items for which I would find a definition helpful. Acceptable?

Yes. Thank you.

You view it as inherent to the human condition that in the process of consciously formulating perspective and opinion we accrue an influential corpus of records.

Yes. Records = lasting impressions made on external media, and/or within the mind (as memories)

You consider it equally inherent that this process is one of value assertion. (I am unclear if you think the formulation process is always conscious; please clarify.)

Yes, but I do feel that most people, most of the time, do it rather subconsciously. I think to make a record external to oneself serves to guarantee the process will be undertaken in a more conscientious manner.

You consider values to be hierarchical, arranged according to the standards (I am unclear how you distinguish a value from a standard) we derive from our formulation process.

Values are hierarchal in that some take precedence over others. It's easy to conflate values and standards confusingly. A value is what motivates a conscious action. A standard is a current convention.

You claim that all trust is derived from a trust in the self, by which I infer you mean that were we incapable of trusting our formulated perspective we would be incapable of engaging with anything else because that perspective is effectively our interface for engaging with the world we live in.

I think you understood me. I almost couldn't remember why I thought that was even relevant to this discussion. I was thinking about how the current trend is to accept a pre-compiled bible from some trusted authority, rather than feeling fit to compile one for oneself.

You are of the opinion that in order for our personal character development to be good we must strike a balance between independent perspective formulation (which risks confirmation bias) and reliant perspective formulation (which risks uncritical imitation).

For more reasons than these, I think that self-compiled bibles should become the new norm. By "personal character development" I am talking most simply about habit formation.

You seek to introduce the Free Press Bible Process (I still do not understand why you call it this; personally I find that reference to a specific religious text a bit disorienting with respect to your more generalized thesis) as a set of tools and procedures for striking that balance.

It's supposed to be controversial. Offer an alternative to the current, pre-compiled bible paradigm

You perceive that most of us lack focus and discipline, and ostensibly mean to indicate that Free Press Bible is a tool for overcoming those attributes

It's a form of personal journaling, and as such, yes.

You observe that one might be pulled into the process through inadvertent introspection prompted during an evaluation of others' statements. This seems to indicate that Free Press Bible is some sort of interactional platform where users would present their corpus of records and consequent perspectives for open critique by others.

I would like the tool to be of such design that it can be used as publicly or as privately as a user should choose. They should not be tied to a central organization of any kind in order to use the tool(s)

I don't think privacy needs to be sacrificed in order to benefit from the process, though I do believe that engaging with others in conversations is the best way to improve a collection

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